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BenQ W1700 / HT2550 : 4K HDR 3D DLP projector

BenQ enters the 4K compact DLP 4K race for less than 3000$ and will be released in January 2018, the W1700 or HT2550.

It is a 4K DLP compatible HDR and 3D with CinematicColor and frame interpolation, here it is in photo.



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That should make a lot of the 3d crowd happy.
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Damn, I wish it came in black,

Apart from that, it looks to be fairly good. Pricing state $2499.99 in AUS which is about $1999,99 in the US. If that's the case it should sell well.

Will have to wait for first reviews for contrast/color levels as it sounds like it hits Rec709 (well about 95% of that space), and "supports" HDR10. Hard to tell what supports means, especially if it's only 95% of 709 then the color space to play with won't be that much compared to what some may be used to with HDR on their TV's.
I like the fact that in one of their press releases they call it Projector enhanced HDR which hopefully means that rather than just trying to hit TV standard for HDR they have tweaked it especially for the way a projector handles light (large source light from front vs how a TV works with many tiny lights sources from behind).

I was planning to wait 12018 months but may jump early around Feb once the reviews and owner threads are all out to read.

All boils down to Lumens/Contrast and Sharpness for me on this one. If not I'll hold out.

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Damn, I wish it came in black,

Apart from that, it looks to be fairly good. Pricing state $2499.99 in AUS which is about $1999,99 in the US. If that's the case it should sell well.

Will have to wait for first reviews for contrast/color levels as it sounds like it hits Rec709 (well about 95% of that space), and "supports" HDR10. Hard to tell what supports means, especially if it's only 95% of 709 then the color space to play with won't be that much compared to what some may be used to with HDR on their TV's.
I like the fact that in one of their press releases they call it Projector enhanced HDR which hopefully means that rather than just trying to hit TV standard for HDR they have tweaked it especially for the way a projector handles light (large source light from front vs how a TV works with many tiny lights sources from behind).

I was planning to wait 12018 months but may jump early around Feb once the reviews and owner threads are all out to read.

All boils down to Lumens/Contrast and Sharpness for me on this one. If not I'll hold out.
TI hasn't really done anything in regards to contrast in years. If anything, it's gotten slightly worse than the older bigger chips from 10 years ago.

If you are concerned about CR... I wouldn't even bother looking at a DLP right now.
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The devil will be in the conversion of marketing speak to actual details. I hate words like "enhanced" or "compatible."

Also need to see lag times. The other DLPs have been too high for many gamers. That may cut out a chunk of the market.

I was looking at the Epson 5040 but if they can get the lag down and accept 60 FPS at 4K ... count me in. I have a Mitsu DLP RPTV and I love the DLP look.
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The devil will be in the conversion of marketing speak to actual details. I hate words like "enhanced" or "compatible."

Also need to see lag times. The other DLPs have been too high for many gamers. That may cut out a chunk of the market.

I was looking at the Epson 5040 but if they can get the lag down and accept 60 FPS at 4K ... count me in. I have a Mitsu DLP RPTV and I love the DLP look.
Lag is overblown for 99% of the population. If you aren't a pro gamer an extra 20ms is nothing(but people on online-shashki will gripe endlessly about it). If it's insane that's one thing, but most of the dlps are pretty respectable in game mode. Keep in mind though this isn't actually 4k, if you are using it as a PC monitor, I bet text looks a bit funky.

If you are a pro gamer, you don't need to be using a projector.
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My kids would notice the lag, but after playing some games with them I've realized my eye-brain-hand interconnect is way slower than the 20ms!

Looking forward to the release and some reviews.
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The devil will be in the conversion of marketing speak to actual details. I hate words like "enhanced" or "compatible."

Also need to see lag times. The other DLPs have been too high for many gamers. That may cut out a chunk of the market.

I was looking at the Epson 5040 but if they can get the lag down and accept 60 FPS at 4K ... count me in. I have a Mitsu DLP RPTV and I love the DLP look.
Lag is overblown for 99% of the population. If you aren't a pro gamer an extra 20ms is nothing(but people on online-shashki will gripe endlessly about it). If it's insane that's one thing, but most of the dlps are pretty respectable in game mode. Keep in mind though this isn't actually 4k, if you are using it as a PC monitor, I bet text looks a bit funky.

If you are a pro gamer, you don't need to be using a projector.
I'm in the 98th percentile for some Destiny activities. I'll notice . 4K/60 is another important point for me.

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Dlp 0.47 dmd dlp ..................
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Lag is overblown for 99% of the population. If you aren't a pro gamer an extra 20ms is nothing(but people on online-shashki will gripe endlessly about it). If it's insane that's one thing, but most of the dlps are pretty respectable in game mode. Keep in mind though this isn't actually 4k, if you are using it as a PC monitor, I bet text looks a bit funky.

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so this is based off of the new TI chips that are 1080p->4Ke, like the Epsons?
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The performance of this projector should be the same as other 4k DLP projectors. It gives you 3D with CinematicColor, frame interpolation, and RGBRGB color wheel.

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I am very much interested in learning more about this projector over the coming months. I am wondering where it will sit between the Optima and Epsons
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Bought a Benq HT2050 back in July for a second HT setup and am looking forward to replacing my main Benq (W7500) projector in my living room. This upcoming 1700 model has me interested but that silly 4K switch on the front has me concerned. can't hold out for good contrast from DLP but i'll definitely keep an eye out for reviews or any news on this once it hits the streets or those who get test units to review. 2g is a good price point at least.

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Bought a Benq HT2050 back in July for a second HT setup and am looking forward to replacing my main Benq (W7500) projector in my living room. This upcoming 1700 model has me interested but that silly 4K switch on the front has me concerned. can't hold out for good contrast from DLP but i'll definitely keep an eye out for reviews or any news on this once it hits the streets or those who get test units to review. 2g is a good price point at least.
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TI hasn't really done anything in regards to contrast in years. If anything, it's gotten slightly worse than the older bigger chips from 10 years ago.



If you are concerned about CR... I wouldn't even bother looking at a DLP right now.


This has been litigated and re-litigated to death.

I’m interested because I’ve actually found the contrast on my inexpensive HT2050 to be quite satisfying and I’ve been a little surprised at how much I would need to spend to get an appreciable upgrade. In fact, I’ve seen some more expensive projectors with much higher measured contrast that don’t look as good as what I have now.

I’ll reserve judgement until I can see one of these in action.

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The performance of this projector should be the same as other 4k DLP projectors. It gives you 3D with CinematicColor, frame interpolation, and RGBRGB color wheel.
BenQ has a good track record of providing better IQ performance at the same price point as the competition plus they have a high speed 4x-6x colour wheel. Hopefully BenQ has been studying how to get the best performance from the TI 4K chip - plus it will have 3D which is currently lacking (maybe from a newer chip or a firmware upgrade?).
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I don't see any mention of it having lens shift. Can anyone confirm?

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Dlp 0.47 dmd dlp ..................
I wonder if this is a 1080p chip where they flash 4 shifted sub-frames, unlike the other eShift approaches that flash 2 shifted sub-frames, and unlike other XPR solutions that have 2.7k native resolution. TI mentioned at CEDIA that they were going to be releasing a 0.47" chip with 2 million mirrors (native 1080p) where they flash 4 times.

I would like to see this in action, but my gut feeling is that there are pretty diminishing returns for image quality going above 2 sub-frames. It could be more about marketing, if they can make people believe these are like true 4K projectors.

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How about we not call it 4K if it isn't?
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This has been litigated and re-litigated to death.

I’m interested because I’ve actually found the contrast on my inexpensive HT2050 to be quite satisfying and I’ve been a little surprised at how much I would need to spend to get an appreciable upgrade. In fact, I’ve seen some more expensive projectors with much higher measured contrast that don’t look as good as what I have now.

I’ll reserve judgement until I can see one of these in action.
Fellow HT2050 owner as well. For its price I'm more than satisfied with its picture.
This new model definitely has my interest, and I too am looking forward to seeing it in action.
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That should make a lot of the 3d crowd happy.
Can't wait! Just got an Epson 5040UB, but if the BenQ turns out as well based on their history, I'm all over this combo 4K + 3D PJ! !
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Yeah this one is exciting to me. Love the dlp sharpness. Had a w5000 and run a w6000 now. If they can use cheaper tech that is still perceived by human eye as 4K then I’m all for it!
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BenQ W1700 : 4K HDR 3D DLP projector

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BenQ enters the 4K compact DLP 4K race for less than 3000$ and will be released in January 2018, the W1700.

It is a 4K DLP compatible HDR and 3D with CinematicColor and frame interpolation, here it is in photo.







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http://projection-homecinema.fr/...30/benq-w1700/






Kraine, please amend the title of this thread to add the US/ Canada model number: HT2550.



I received word from my contact at BenQ that this unit does in fact use the true 4K .47” DMD chip. She also revealed that the US/Canada retail price would be <$2000.
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BenQ has a good track record of providing better IQ performance at the same price point as the competition plus they have a high speed 4x-6x colour wheel. Hopefully BenQ has been studying how to get the best performance from the TI 4K chip - plus it will have 3D which is currently lacking (maybe from a newer chip or a firmware upgrade?).
I am hopeful we will see some better native on/off contrast (and dynamic too) measurements from some of these DLP's. I own a Benq w7000 next to a JVC, and I can tell you though the w7000 can look better in some scenes (especially noisier content from streaming bright scenes), it is no match for a JVC on dark scenes.

Hence, I would never put in any movie I knew that had any significant amount of dark scenes to watch on the Benq over the JVC, but there are a few things where I do prefer the Benq...
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To be honest I don't think this Benq will be better than Optoma UHD60/65 but time will tell.

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Kraine, please amend the title of this thread to add the US/ Canada model number: HT2550.

I received word from my contact at BenQ that this unit does in fact use the true 4K .47” DMD chip (same as the Optoma UHD60/65). She also revealed that the US/Canada retail price would be <$2000!
Huh? The UHD 60/65 have the 0.67" DMD. Are you saying this is that? May be a big difference...
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I received word from my contact at BenQ that this unit does in fact use the true 4K .47? DMD chip (same as the Optoma UHD60/65).
The UHD6x projectors use 0.67" chips. I don't know if TI has crammed 4 million mirrors onto a 0.47" chip and given that they said they were going to do 4x XPR with a 0.47" 1080p native chip, my guess is that this is what this projector will be.

I wouldn't trust BenQ about what "true 4K" is. There is basically zero chance that this is a native 4K chip, but a marketing organization allows them to claim these as "4K UHD".

Around here I would prefer that people refer to these eShift solutions with things like:

1080p+eShift
2.7K+eShift
1080p+4xeShift

However, there are some people around here who are determined to call these 4K with absolutely no qualifier. They know that this will make some readers think that these are native 4K. I tend not to trust people who intentionally do that.

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http://pjtime.com/2017/10/372552168651.shtml

from this Chinese News report that Benq will release a new line "輕" (mean light for size, weight and price) for 4K
the estimated price will between RMB10K to RMB15 this December will release W1700
and March 2018 will release higher model W6000 with better color with lens shift and large range optical zoom.
hope W6000 will use 0.67 DMD instead of 0.47

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To be honest I don't think this Benq will be better than Optoma UHD60/65 but time will tell.
I don't think anyone will care if it does decent 3d out of the box. Also looks more compact.
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