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Just read on BBC Sport that Aston Martin is looking to possibly develop a F1 powerplant for new regulations by 2021. For now they are teamed up with Red Bull.

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Just read on BBC Sport that Aston Martin is looking to possibly develop a F1 powerplant for new regulations by 2021. For now they are teamed up with Red Bull.
Aston Martin and Porsche back in F1. 2021 could be great. Liberty needs to hold firm with this new engine formula, Merc and Ferrari can go suck it.

A Dutch GP is starting to look like a real possibility.

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“I would like to continue with Formula 1, but we have to find compromises that don’t leave Ferrari without the possibility of showing its DNA in every race. ...”

Speaking of which, Ferrari is a huge part, to say the least, of F1's "DNA". Regardless of being a tifosi or not, a F1 championship without Ferrari would be really silly! Kind of like The Lord Of The Rings with no ring... I hope they find a middle ground somewhere with Liberty, for now I guess they will. Economically it wouldn't be so smart either.

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"Ferrari's Now Threatening To Quit F1 And Start A Rival Racing Series "

Ummm, haven't they been threatening to do that for the last 5 years or so? Ugh.....actions speak much louder than words. That's directed at Ferrari and Marko. Stop talking crap. If you are going to "take your toys and go home," just do it! Stop making empty threats. No one takes you guys seriously because you have been crying wolf for years now and done diddly squat!
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"Ferrari's Now Threatening To Quit F1 And Start A Rival Racing Series "

Ummm, haven't they been threatening to do that for the last 5 years or so?
No..just recently. And at various times throughout the history of F1 as have other teams.
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I think it's funny that Ferrari is taking a stand against something that probably none of us agree with either but since it's Ferrari all the haters want to jump on the bandwagon to try to make them look bad.
Keeping development costs down has never worked and why would anyone want essentially spec engines in the series.
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I think it's funny that Ferrari is taking a stand against something that probably none of us agree with either but since it's Ferrari all the haters want to jump on the bandwagon to try to make them look bad.
Keeping development costs down has never worked and why would anyone want essentially spec engines in the series.
It's not yet clear to me whether they are proposing spec engines or just limitations on specific technologies. An example from the past might be active suspension, which was forbidden, but this did not stop aero and other suspension developments.

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Hamilton explains it well.
http://espn.com/f1/story/_/id/21...reat-seriously

Ferrari isn't going anywhere. As Maurice says, what is the DNA? He is probably correct in that it has more to do with that large bribe than DNA.

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Ferrari has taken a fair beating for suggesting that it might quit the sport if it doesn’t get what it wants. The response inside the sport has been fairly clear. Off you go folks… The manufacturers want to preserve their advantages, but they are not going to throw themselves on the Ferrari bonfire unless it really makes sense. And it doesn’t. On top of all this I seriously doubt Sergio Marchionne is going to pull Ferrari out of F1. He is up to his neck in things that are much more important. He’s trying to keep Fiat Chrysler Automobiles on the right path. Thus far he has managed to hit all his targets and has collected vast (some might say obscene) bonuses as a result. Recent revelations indicate that by the time he leaves FCA in 2019 Marchionne will own shares in the company worth $325 million. He wants to keep the share price high as a result of this and is looking for a partner with which to merge the business, but there is a nasty little scandal brewing over labour deals struck by Chrysler with the powerful United Automobile Workers. These, it seems, were achieved by bribing the union representatives and the FBI wants to know whether Marchionne knew about it. It certainly helped the company enormously. Faced with such things, the F1 problems of Ferrari are really not that important…

One should also consider one other thing that may have an impact. In Italy there are two sports that the nation follows: football and Formula 1. As we were flying home from Brazil on Monday, Italy failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup, being knocked out by Sweden. It was the first time in 60 years that the nation did not make it to the competition, which it has won four times and been runner-up twice. For many Italians it was a complete disaster. The manager was sacked (of course) and the media spoke of it being the darkest moment in the country’s sporting history. Now, imagine how well Marchionne would fare if he pulled Ferrari out of F1…
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I think it's funny that Ferrari is taking a stand against something that probably none of us agree with either but since it's Ferrari all the haters want to jump on the bandwagon to try to make them look bad.
Keeping development costs down has never worked and why would anyone want essentially spec engines in the series.

Maybe it's the way 'ol Serge comes across. Like a giant baby. Like Merc and Renault want to join some Ferrari based series. I'm sure that would be fair.

You can't be that big of a fanboy to actually like this 500 million dollar Fiat spokeshole. As soon as the UAW stuff comes out he's gone anyway, in an expertly tailored Italian parachute.
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Maybe it's the way 'ol Serge comes across. Like a giant baby. Like Merc and Renault want to join some Ferrari based series. I'm sure that would be fair.

You can't be that big of a fanboy to actually like this 500 million dollar Fiat spokeshole. As soon as the UAW stuff comes out he's gone anyway, in an expertly tailored Italian parachute.
I doubt they expect them to join the series.
I don't have to like all the current players to like the team.
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LOL, "I'm done" "I'm out".

Get yer ass back in here while it's still seamless. Couple months from now and the price goes way up.
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I doubt they expect them to join the series.
I don't have to like all the current players to like the team.
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LOL, "I'm done" "I'm out".

Get yer ass back in here while it's still seamless. Couple months from now and the price goes way up.
I’m taking the ‘Glo NFL thread approach, modified for F1.

Give up on the sport but occasionally toss out a turdball, in this case, in the direction of the Tifosi. It’s a time honored tradition.....

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Maybe it's the way 'ol Serge comes across. Like a giant baby. Like Merc and Renault want to join some Ferrari based series. I'm sure that would be fair.

You can't be that big of a fanboy to actually like this 500 million dollar Fiat spokeshole. As soon as the UAW stuff comes out he's gone anyway, in an expertly tailored Italian parachute.
“Spokeshole”?

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Ferrari start a rival racing series against F1? What a brilliant idea! Look how well that worked out for CART and IndyCar.
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Give up on the sport but occasionally toss out a turdball, in this case, in the direction of the Tifosi. It’s a time honored tradition.....
This ain't the NFL and you ain't 'Glo. Take the rest of the week off, but you better be here first thing Tuesday morning.

Get your **** together. Get it ALL together. And put it in a backpack.

All your ****.

So it’s together.

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Yep. Extinction Event.
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There has been talk of a consortium involving Red Bull Racing, McLaren, Aston Martin and Cosworth, but at the moment everything remains fluid. The first step will be to do single cylinder research with a consulting company such as Ilmor or the Austrian firm AVL, which has worked with Ferrari and others in the past to help solve the challenges that F1 presents to engine manufacturers. The theory is that each of the partners in the consortium would invest in the technology developed and would each get their own engines, allowing Red Bull to have Aston Martins, McLaren to have its own F1 V6 and Cosworth to have an engine that could be supplied to any team who wants it, much as the company used to do in F1 back in the days of the DFV.

I have a note which says “Manufacturer Meeting”, which I have not seen reported elsewhere. This was to remind me to write about a meeting that took place on Saturday between the four engine manufacturers who want to stop Liberty from pushing through its engine plans and its financial limitations, by threatening to start their own series. This is utter tosh, of course, and those of us who have been around long enough know that it is not workable. The truth is that manufacturers know it as well and so the whole thing can only be an attempt to get some concessions, rather than having to accept all that Liberty wants. I snuck up to Toto Wolff on the grid and whispered: “It won’t work,” in his ear. He looked at me, smiled and said: “It will…” so I guess he knew what I was talking about… We then had a will-won’t discussion until it got silly and some TV crew arrived to ask him another banal question.

If the manufacturers do go completely bonkers and try to do their own thing, the FIA can always switch the World Championship to Formula 2 on the basis that there aren’t enough competitors (there is a precedent, of course) and then all the F2 teams would get a chance to build their own cars or do deals with the existing people at reasonable prices. Nothing is impossible and something needs to be done to break up the financial and political power of the manufacturers.

There are lots of notes about Formula 2 teams and one that suggests that the dominant Prema will not be having Ferrari money next year, but is shopping around looking for a new team to run the programme which would be for Antonio Fuoco and Louis Deletraz, the latter apprently being a pay-driver to make the programme less costly for the Italians.
The whole we will leave and start our own series is funny. Would anyone notice Honda missing? Renault? Maybe. So it is really Merc and Ferrari. I doubt Merc would go along with a ferrari series.

Based on the above, it looks like RB, McLaren and Cosworth might have the field covered even if Merc and Ferrari left. Maybe Ford and Toyota might want to return.

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Give up on the sport but occasionally toss out a turdball, in this case, in the direction of the Tifosi. It’s a time honored tradition.....


LOL, my approach is unique. Get your own!


Honestly, I get where you are coming from, but I think Liberty is making changes for the better. Unfortunately it will take time.
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https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2017...ams-situation/

According to Joe, Williams is looking for money. It looks like Sergey is bringing $22mill. Unless Kubica can bring more than he is out.

The other interesting tidbit is that Stroll is paying less next year to be in the car. I wonder how long that will last if he doesn't up his game considerably.

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