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Sony VPL-VW385ES Owners Thread

I thought I would start a new thread on this. I am attaching some of my pics of this device. Just got it and will put it through its paces soon.
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This is an official owners thread. Congrats!!!
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This is an official owners thread. Congrats!!!
I lucked out. I never get lucky. Thx.
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I thought I would start a new thread on this. I am attaching some of my pics of this device. Just got it and will put it through its paces soon.
Nice!

Can you please edit the thread title to something like Sony VPL-VW385ES Owners Thread.

Am I seeing correct your serial number is freaking 00001 or something? That's awesome.

Enjoy it.

Please post pics of the focus screen pattern and 4k test patterns when you get a chance.
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Nice!

Can you please edit the thread title to something like Sony VPL-VW385ES Owners Thread.

Am I seeing correct your serial number is freaking 00001 or something? That's awesome.

Enjoy it.

Please post pics of the focus screen pattern and 4k test patterns when you get a chance.
Yes it was 0001. I changed the title Where do I get the patterns from?
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Yes it was 0001. I changed the title Where do I get the patterns from?
Is that like Willy Wonka's golden ticket?
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Juan you have a PM.
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I thought I would start a new thread on this. I am attaching some of my pics of this device. Just got it and will put it through its paces soon.
Congrats! (so jealous). Still have about 3 weeks of waiting before I get mine. Can't wait to hear your impressions. What devices will you be using it with?
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Juan when you have some pics you want to share:

Try Imgur. then paste the BBC Code right in your posts and the images will show.

http://imgur.com

Drag and drop your pics into the window to upload.

When its uploaded:

'Get Share Links'



Then copy and paste the BBC Code text into your forum post and voila!


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Congrats! (so jealous). Still have about 3 weeks of waiting before I get mine. Can't wait to hear your impressions. What devices will you be using it with?
Congrats Juan : Serial Number 1 . can't wait to get your first impression of this projector .
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Yep, looks like Amazon slipped and jumped the gun, letting one out the door. Looks like you are going to be in a very select club of one for a few weeks. Enjoy your projector.
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When you get a chance pull up the pattern that looks like this:



A good portion of the pattern to look at with the 385ES would be the checkerboard pattern with single pixel lines. You can find these on top and bottom above and below the red, green and blue ramps/lines.
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Working on tests using the patterns. How do you change the thread title on the front screen. I changed it at the top.
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When you get a chance pull up the pattern that looks like this:



A good portion of the pattern to look at with the 385ES would be the checkerboard pattern with single pixel lines. You can find these on top and bottom above and below the red, green and blue ramps/lines.
I have it but don't know which pattern you are talking about. I will post them and you can let me know if you need me to retake them. Please be advised that I am projecting on the wall since my screen does not come until Friday. Output device is the Oppo 203. Give me a sec to post.
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JAVS,

Thanks for the help.

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The test pattern Juan was asked to use is a checkerboard grid of individual pixels.

On a flat panel the pixel structure will be precisely aligned mechanically. Get a magnifying glass and you'll see it. All the sub elements in a row. A flat panel will display this test pattern VERY well.

LCoS like Sony and JVC can't reach this level of alignment. They are three chip solutions and while an attempt is made to precisely align all three panels it's not always perfect. I won't get into who does it better but both companies provide ECC (Electronic convergence controls) to adjust for this but they should be used sparingly if at all.

So lets assume you have a panel with GREAT alignment. You still have to get through the optics. JVC is almost universally accepted as having better glass. But Sony supposedly has tried to make improvements in this area this year (But JVC will still probably be better lens wise). In any case the lens may slightly blur or otherwise modify your perfect convergence on the way to the screen.

The issues above make it unlikely that a PROJECTOR (at least a three chip design) will ever do extremely well on that torture test pattern.

Now it would seem that Sony drives their panel in such a way that it makes some of the above worse and other companies may or may not do it better. I don't think many fully understand how or why. We are all just guessing. But the proof is in the pudding. Do you like the image it displays? If yes ignore the FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) being spread.







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Thank you for doing this Juan.

Seems Sony still has a ways to go with 4k Panel Projection with high density detail faithfully reproduced.

Dont let this deter you from enjoying your purchase!

Real content is going to look great.

That lens actually looks pretty decent based on the grid there. I dont see fringing at least in those images. My old 300ES and the 320ES I saw had pretty big fringing (Smearing) on one side which would stick out like a sore thumb on any grid patterns, so you are good to go with this lens IMO.

Will be good to see these again when you get the image up on a smooth surface such as a screen and projected large.

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I have a screen coming Friday. I will try to get better pics.
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Out of curiosity. How should these look?
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There is a setting in the service menu that allows to get rid of that odd "tearing" and blotchy looking artifact. But that disables the factory set software zone convergence correction. The pink and green banding you see is extremely common to all of the 4K SXRD projectors I've had here including the 1000ES, 1100ES and 665ES. It seems Sony has done nothing to fix that problem. If you get a chance go into the regular menu and be sure to turn Reality Creation off to see if these test patterns look better. I would also choose Reference picture mode in the menu as well. Also check to see if the Sharpness setting isn't all the way up. If you get a chance take a close up photo of the portion of that test pattern that looks like this:




You can find this under (and over) the red green and blue stripes you see on screen all the way across the whole image. The photo above is how JVC's 4K DiLA panels render that test pattern. There's a bit of chromatic aberration in that photo but it does do 1:1 pixel mapping on the panels themselves perfectly

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It should look like this:

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Thank you for doing this Juan.

Seems Sony still has a ways to go with 4k Panel Projection with high density detail faithfully reproduced.

Dont let this deter you from enjoying your purchase!

Real content is going to look great.

That lens actually looks pretty decent based on the grid there. I dont see fringing at least in those images. My old 300ES and the 320ES I saw had pretty big fringing (Smearing) on one side which would stick out like a sore thumb on any grid patterns, so you are good to go with this lens IMO.

Will be good to see these again when you get the image up on a smooth surface such as a screen and projected large.

Do you have a screen Juan?
Despite having odd issues with banding, posterization and not being able to do 1:1 pixel mapping (which is something I'd consider necessary to call itself 'native' 4K) these Sony models still throw a great image overall. JVC is the only other company that can give these projectors a run for their money and even best them in some areas. It's a good thing we have at least one other brand to choose from. I personally couldn't own these 4K models from Sony until this issue is fixed.
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There is a setting in the service menu that allows to get rid of that odd "tearing" and blotchy looking artifact. But that disables the factory set software zone convergence correction. The pink and green banding you see is extremely common to all of the 4K SXRD projectors I've had here including the 1000ES, 1100ES and 665ES. It seems Sony has done nothing to fix that problem. If you get a chance go into the regular menu and be sure to turn Reality Creation off to see if these test patterns look better. I would also choose Reference picture mode in the menu as well. Also check to see if the Sharpness setting isn't all the way up. If you get a chance take a close up photo of the portion of that test pattern that looks like this:




You can find this under (and over) the red green and blue stripes you see on screen all the way across the whole image. The photo above is how JVC's 4K DiLA panels render that test pattern. There's a bit of chromatic aberration in that photo but it does do 1:1 pixel mapping on the panels themselves perfectly

Yes - the new Sony line 285/385 does look exactly like the VW675, so it must be the same motherboard and software. My VW1000 didn't have this color moiré on 1:1 pixel, my VW520 has it, what about the VW5000?
I would like to see these patterns on the Z1 and VW5000. According a German magazine the Z1 also has color moiré on some of these patterns. We also don't know if the VW760 has it, maybe it's more like the VW5000 in hardware and software.
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Despite having odd issues with banding, posterization and not being able to do 1:1 pixel mapping (which is something I'd consider necessary to call itself 'native' 4K) these Sony models still throw a great image overall. JVC is the only other company that can give these projectors a run for their money and even best them in some areas. It's a good thing we have at least one other brand to choose from. I personally couldn't own these 4K models from Sony until this issue is fixed.
This is confusing to me. If it is doing 1:1 Pixel mapping wouldn't the pattern or source need to be 4096 x 2160? Or is the issue that its always displaying 4096 x2160 vs a 3840x2160 when shown a 3840 source? Thanks!!
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This is confusing to me. If it is doing 1:1 Pixel mapping wouldn't the pattern or source need to be 4096 x 2160? Or is the issue that its always displaying 4096 x2160 vs a 3840x2160 when shown a 3840 source? Thanks!!
When the projector sees a 3840 x 2160 input it places the image inside the 4096 x 2160 pixel grid without needing to scale the image. There are letterbox bars on the left and right sides of the image.
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Yes - the new Sony line 285/385 does look exactly like the VW675, so it must be the same motherboard and software. My VW1000 didn't have this color moiré on 1:1 pixel, my VW520 has it, what about the VW5000?
I would like to see these patterns on the Z1 and VW5000. According a German magazine the Z1 also has color moiré on some of these patterns. We also don't know if the VW760 has it, maybe it's more like the VW5000 in hardware and software.
According to Kris Deering, the RS4500 has no problems with these test patterns, but I can ask again to be sure it doesn't add moire. The photo I posted above shows that it seemingly is be able rendering them without an issue and that 1:1 pixel mapping is possible. If I remember correctly some people were using a Lumagen to feed their projector it was causing issues with rendering these test patterns. Maybe that's where the moire issues came from on the Z1 you read about? I didn't have this specific test pattern suite when I had the 1100ES here, but I did see similar pink/green banding in other test patterns on the 1100ES as well:






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Thank you for doing this Juan.

Seems Sony still has a ways to go with 4k Panel Projection with high density detail faithfully reproduced.

Dont let this deter you from enjoying your purchase!

Real content is going to look great.

That lens actually looks pretty decent based on the grid there. I dont see fringing at least in those images. My old 300ES and the 320ES I saw had pretty big fringing (Smearing) on one side which would stick out like a sore thumb on any grid patterns, so you are good to go with this lens IMO.

Will be good to see these again when you get the image up on a smooth surface such as a screen and projected large.

Do you have a screen Juan?
I am not sure how representative these shot are yet?

First he is not square to the wall so there is a lot of keystone error. Second the wall is textured with different patterns and that will scatter single pixel test patterns as well as cause focusing issues. Third, he looks like he might need to do some panel alignment and focus tweaks. Fourth, we don't know the settings yet and this may well have processing like RC which might distort since pixel pattern tests.

Let's get a real image, properly aligned, and focused on a true screen with all image processing off before jumping to conclusions about all Sony 4K projectors.

Thanks Juan for doing this. I will be excited to see what your properly setup up projection looks like.
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