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2017 Vizio E-Series or 2016 Vizio M series?

I'm currently looking for a replacement for my 60" Sony XBR2 projection TV. I was ready to pull the trigger on a 70" M70-D3 for $1,699.00 at Best Buy. I see the new M70-E3 is now available. I also see there is a new E series 70".

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1.) Is the M70-E3 worth $300.00 over the M70-D3?

2.) Is the E70-E3 better than an M70-D3?

I'm coming from a TV that is 11 years old so I'm not super picky but I would like the best bang for the buck and longevity.

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I'm currently looking for a replacement for my 60" Sony XBR2 projection TV. I was ready to pull the trigger on a 70" M70-D3 for $1,699.00 at Best Buy. I see the new M70-E3 is now available. I also see there is a new E series 70".

Questions:

1.) Is the M70-E3 worth $300.00 over the M70-D3?

2.) Is the E70-E3 better than an M70-D3?

I'm coming from a TV that is 11 years old so I'm not super picky but I would like the best bang for the buck and longevity.

Thanks all!
1.) It depends. There are trade offs. The 2017 M70 has fewer dimming zones, ( 32 vs.64 ) a slower 60hz panel ( gamers generally want a faster 120Hz panel ), but a Wide Color Gamut. If you want to take advantage of the deeper color capabilities, you will need to purchase an HDR capable Blu-ray player, and also purchase UHD Premium Certified blu-ray discs. Not that many of them out there.

I have a 2016 M70, and had the option to return it to Costco ( within the 90 day return window ) after Vizio announced the 2017 M's. I chose to keep it because higher dimming zone count is more important to me than wide color. 4K content availability is getting better, but still very limited. 4K-HDR content is even fewer and farther between, and it will be a couple of more years before it starts to become more commonplace. Wide color content is even more scarce, and won't be something you will see on broadcast/cable sources - probably ever. The 2016 M does both Dolby Vision HDR and HDR-10, so you're covered with that. That is more important than wide color IMO.

2.) No. The 2016 M70-D3 is significantly better than the 2017 E70-E3. For starters, it has over 5x the dimming zones ( 64 vs. 12 ). A higher zone count = better picture with deeper blacks = higher contrast, etc. The M has a 120Hz panel vs. the E's 60Hz panel. It has 5 HDMI inputs vs. 4. So even though Vizio was able to pass some of the better tech from the M series to the 2017 E's, the 2016 M is still a better TV. You still get what you pay for. The E series is their Entry level models. The M series is their Mid-range models and has better innards. It's designed to last longer. The P series = Pro.

Vizio is really good about supporting their existing customer base with frequent software updates that add capabilities and functionality. The 2016 M TV's will be getting the same software as the 2017's, so you really won't be missing out by getting last year's model.
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I'd buy a P65 over either of those. They're both lower-end models that are inferior to the P-series. You give up 5", but the quality difference should more than make up for it.
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I'd buy a P65 over either of those. They're both lower-end models that are inferior to the P-series. You give up 5", but the quality difference should more than make up for it.
Yes. The P is definitely the better TV. My wife didn't want to give up 5", so I got the M. LOL
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I am curious also as to what the actual perceivable differences are between M and P series.

I can buy a refurbished M 60 from walmart for 650 bucks, id have to spend double that to get into P territory. I know it has more zones and wide color gamut, but im talking side by side how does it compare?

I ask because samsungs colors are absolutely noticeable when set next to a P series (p series looks duller) is the same true for P vs M?
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I am curious also as to what the actual perceivable differences are between M and P series.

I can buy a refurbished M 60 from walmart for 650 bucks, id have to spend double that to get into P territory. I know it has more zones and wide color gamut, but im talking side by side how does it compare?

I ask because samsungs colors are absolutely noticeable when set next to a P series (p series looks duller) is the same true for P vs M?
More zones, greater color volume, an actual 10-bit panel, greater brightness. And yes, you will see the difference between an M-series and a P-series. The brightness is a pretty big factor, and it's a compelling argument to buy a P-series over an M-series. Also, you have to remember that most refurbished models are not eligible for any sort of extended warranty, which is a pretty big factor to weigh.
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I am curious also as to what the actual perceivable differences are between M and P series.

I can buy a refurbished M 60 from walmart for 650 bucks, id have to spend double that to get into P territory. I know it has more zones and wide color gamut, but im talking side by side how does it compare?

I ask because samsungs colors are absolutely noticeable when set next to a P series (p series looks duller) is the same true for P vs M?
The P gets brighter ( more nits ). I think when viewing SDR content - which is 99% of what's out there - having a WCG doesn't bring much to the table. The M's picture is excellent regardless. The M60 is an IPS panel, so you will give up a little with deep blacks and contrast, in exchange for a wider viewing angle. A far as which TV is more colorful, if both are calibrated, there shouldn't be much of a difference. Demo picture modes in a store can be deceiving.

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More zones, greater color volume, an actual 10-bit panel, greater brightness. And yes, you will see the difference between an M-series and a P-series. The brightness is a pretty big factor, and it's a compelling argument to buy a P-series over an M-series. Also, you have to remember that most refurbished models are not eligible for any sort of extended warranty, which is a pretty big factor to weigh.
Actually wal mart offers a 3 or 4 year plan for around 100 bucks that covers anything that could go wrong with the TV.

Im more worried about panel defects on refurbs, i dont wanna start doing the whole panel lottery thing....but not like this is avoidable with new tv's either lol.

Maybe i should just go with ks8000 as that seems the best rounded TV of basically anything out there, man buying a tv shouldnt be this hard lol.
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The P65-C1 is $1400 at Costco right now. I think that's probably the better option.
Between M70 and E70, go with M70.
You get DV, you get 64 vs 12 led zones, you get a much brighter display, better quality, and you also get a free Android tablet. (a Vizio remote is going to cost a few bucks, an Android tablet is more expensive)

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The P65-C1 is $1400 at Costco right now. I think that's probably the better option.
Between M70 and E70, go with M70.
You get DV, you get 64 vs 12 led zones, you get a much brighter display, better quality, and you also get a free Android tablet. (a Vizio remote is going to cost a few bucks, an Android tablet is more expensive)
The 65" is tough for some folks who were previously debating 70 vs 75". I was OK with dropping to 70" -- which saves a ton -- but the additional 5" to 65" was a deal breaker.

I opted for a $1600 70" M over the $1400 65" P. My viewing distance is about 13'. Honestly, though, I'm still torn and have not taken delivery of the 70" yet...
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I think you'll be happier with the P-series. M-series is a pretty big downgrade from it, and it's not like the 75" vs 65" where it's a HUGE difference in size. If the quality were closer, I'd say stick with a 70", but not in this case.
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The 75" has 33% more screen area than a 65", that's a pretty big difference.
But yeah 13' sitting distance dictates a bigger screen, or just moving the couch closer to it

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The 75" has 33% more screen area than a 65", that's a pretty big difference.
But yeah 13' sitting distance dictates a bigger screen, or just moving the couch closer to it
That's what I said, there is a huge difference between 65" and 75". "where it's a HUGE difference in size"
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The 75" has 33% more screen area than a 65", that's a pretty big difference.
But yeah 13' sitting distance dictates a bigger screen, or just moving the couch closer to it
That's what I said, there is a huge difference between 65" and 75". "where it's a HUGE difference in size"
Right. I really want a 75" but the P is $2900. I can't justify an extra $1300 over the 70" M.

I get that the 65 vs 70 isn't a huge difference but I've already come down 5" from ideal
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Right. I really want a 75" but the P is $2900. I can't justify an extra $1300 over the 70" M.

I get that the 65 vs 70 isn't a huge difference but I've already come down 5" from ideal
https://slickdeals.net/f/10107328-vi...archBarV2Algo1

Do a deal like that for max savings if you're set on the M-series. There's no way I'd get an E-series. I'd sooner go with no TV and save up until I had enough for a better TV.
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Right. I really want a 75" but the P is $2900. I can't justify an extra $1300 over the 70" M.

I get that the 65 vs 70 isn't a huge difference but I've already come down 5" from ideal
https://slickdeals.net/f/10107328-vi...archBarV2Algo1

Do a deal like that for max savings if you're set on the M-series. There's no way I'd get an E-series. I'd sooner go with no TV and save up until I had enough for a better TV.
Thanks. Saw that on SD. Not a fan of Dell but if I could spend the $500, I'd be all over it.
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Thanks. Saw that on SD. Not a fan of Dell but if I could spend the $500, I'd be all over it.
Do you PC game at all? The dell s2417 gsync monitor is about the best it gets currently, and is around 400-500 depending on the sale.
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Thanks. Saw that on SD. Not a fan of Dell but if I could spend the $500, I'd be all over it.
You could buy a cheap laptop, a refurb desktop, a monitor, an Xbox ONE S, etc. Certainly better than spending the same amount and not getting the gift card. And the Ebates rewards (if it's still at 15%), plus Dell rewards, can mean another $200 back
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Thanks. Saw that on SD. Not a fan of Dell but if I could spend the $500, I'd be all over it.
You could buy a cheap laptop, a refurb desktop, a monitor, an Xbox ONE S, etc. Certainly better than spending the same amount and not getting the gift card. And the Ebates rewards (if it's still at 15%), plus Dell rewards, can mean another $200 back
Amen. It's more that folks say dell ends up not sending the GC. But sure, I could snag some stuff. In need a UHD player...

Thanks guys. Still tempting to save $200 and get the smaller P
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So wait. I am in the same boat really and now I'm confused (purchasing at the end of this week I think). Yes the reduced dimming zones on the 2017 M70-E3 vs 2016 M70-D3 is a negative change, but I thought the 2016 could not actually do the entire HDR10/DV color range? And that the Wide Color Gamut now means it can? is that not the case? I would think that's a significant positive to getting the 2017 version. Also the 2017 version is brighter in general than 2016 is it not?
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I went with the 2016 M70 and was messing around with settings last night
and was given a code for a free remote from vizio.
My TV gave me a 4 digit code which I entered into a vizio web page and they're going to mail me the remote.

just to let anyone know who hasnt seen this yet
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Hows the M series treating you ?
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Hows the M series treating you ?
i love it,
for my money i can tell the difference to the top models... but just barely
for me its not worth the extra money

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Best Buy has the E70-E3 for $999. Is it worth that in a three TV in wall home theater system for primarily sports viewing? Other options (at best buy) are
LG 70UJ6570 $999
Sony KD70X690E $1199

Which to go with? I want to stay with BB for 18 mo financing unless significant price difference or comparably priced better alternative.
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IDK, I still got my 65" panny ZT but got the 4K itch
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