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What are the pros and cons of both of these meters? Witch one is better? Thanks!
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Specs are the same. I prefer having the numerical read-out of the digital, plus it has a bargraph "analog" display for trends. Finally, no meter movement to wear out. However, it primariy comes down to which readout you prefer. Note neither is accurate below 30 Hz. - Don

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I think these are pretty common correction values.

http://diyaudioprojects.com/Testeq/R...50/33-2050.htm
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Maybe someone can shed some light on this. If the correction values are the same for all 3 meters (New Analog, New Digital vs Old Analog) then why such a difference here when used as a microphone:

Look at post 70 and below:
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If the correction values are the same for all 3 meters (New Analog, New Digital vs Old Analog) then why such a difference here when used as a microphone:

How accurate do you need? And for what purpose do you use your SPL meter? I measured two different Radio Shack SPL meters compared to a number of known-accurate microphones:

Comparison of Ten Measuring Microphones

It seems to me that fretting over tiny variations less than 1 or 2 dB is a waste of time, especially considering how badly skewed all rooms are at low frequencies.

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My Radio Shack analog sound meter is at least 12 years old if not older. Nothing has broken on it and I only replaced the battery a couple of times. It helps with everything in my speaker set up. I just used it when I FINALLY hooked up my surrounds after 4 years which helped in setting the surround volumes.

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The correction tables are generally for the meter when used as a microphone through the line output. That is, when you take the output from the RS SPL meter into your sound card (or whatever), not when you are looking at the meter itself for readings. The line out is flatter (no weighting).

While there may be differences betwqeen new and old meters, I strongly suspect the variation in most of the published tables is sample-to-sample, not analog vs. digital. As Ethan said, it is not a terribly accurate device. You can spend $200+ and get a more accurate SPL meter*, but it is probably not worth it since with the RS meter into your sound card and correction table many inexpensive software program (e..g REW) will measure your system far more easily than you can. If you just want to use it to match levels, then use the RS SPL meter above about 40 Hz and below 10 kHz or so and you should be fine.

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* A good calibrated meter that has flat response may run $500 to $2000+; a decent measurement mic ~$500 - $1000 (plus preamp and software); and an Audio Precision or Agilent audio test set $25k - $30k. I use an earthworks mic (~$600), inexpensive ($150) m-audio mic preamp, and RPlusD software (~$300 with extras) for my measurements but for setting levels often just grab the RS meter because it is fast and easy.

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I also prefer the digital in ease of use VS the bouncing needle.
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I have the digital version and for the little that I use it gets it works great. I don't do anything real in depth but just initial setup of speakers. I also prefer a digital readout compared to a bouncing needle just personally easier for me to read.
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I believe I read a while back that the digital meter's correction values are different than the analog. If I'm not mistaken, they were (add); 3.5db's at 15hz, 2.5db's at 20hz, 1db at 30hz and so on. On the analog correction values, you're adding a lot more db's for the low bass. Is what I said right?
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I have both.

I like the analog better. The needle reacts faster than the digital display.

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How accurate do you need? And for what purpose do you use your SPL meter? I measured two different Radio Shack SPL meters compared to a number of known-accurate microphones:

Comparison of Ten Measuring Microphones

It seems to me that fretting over tiny variations less than 1 or 2 dB is a waste of time, especially considering how badly skewed all rooms are at low frequencies.

--Ethan

Pretty cool Ethan, did you look at how the mics performed below 20hz?

 

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The correction tables are generally for the meter when used as a microphone through the line output. That is, when you take the output from the RS SPL meter into your sound card (or whatever), not when you are looking at the meter itself for readings. The line out is flatter (no weighting).




The line output jack of the RS Digital SPL meter (33-2055) is indeed weighted (bandpass filtered). SPL A scale and SPL C scale are applied as selected by the meter weighting scale.

The chart below is a FR sweep of the RS Digital SPL meter with the microphone element removed from the circuit. The accuracy of any individual SPL meter microphone element is an unknow, so a straight C scale compensation factor should be as close as you are going to get with an SPL meter being used as a microphone.

Fast and slow averaging and MAX is not applied to the line output jack signal.


Red is SPL A scale.

Green is SPL C scale.




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Thanks, good to know I was wrong! (Actually, the dealer told me wrongly, and I believed him. Still my bad.) I did notice a significant difference between my reference mic and the RS meter; should have been a clue... - Don

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Pretty cool Ethan, did you look at how the mics performed below 20hz?

Sorry, No, the speaker we used was the limiting factor. But in the grand scheme of things what matters most is the "speaking range" of bass instruments, which is well above 20 Hz.

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I have analog and I would think it would be easier to get the average with the needle.
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For experienced audio meter readers the analog unit is better. For all others the digital meter is better. It takes lots of practice to read a VU meter scale.

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I am experienced, just old, so it's easier to see the big digital numbers!

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Is the analog meter off at low frequencies when looking at the needle as well, or is it just when using the rca output jack? Just wondering if I need to add the correction factor to the needle?
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As has been said, or at least implied, the required correction is the same looking at the meter or using the line out. I was thinking the line out was unweighted, but I was apparently wrong about that.

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